A difficult and controversial subject. Personally, I have absolute confidence in the salvation of covenant children.
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On what explicit Biblical basis? How can you square that with John 1:12-13?
"The promise is for you and your children"
"...as many as the Lord your God will call" is, I think, how that verse goes on.
And John 1:12-13?
I don't see any contradiction with John 1:12-13 - after all, all of us were born of human parents!
What are your beliefs about infant salvation? Are infants saved or not?
I was amazed and comforted when I first heard of this idea. I always though infant "Christening" at Anglican churches was about my promises to raise my kids as Christians. Then when ministers at Gladesville Anglican took Joy and I through the process for one of our kids, we discovered a new perspective on the Exodus... ie: Moses rescued Israel and even the kiddies and babies were dragged along! Huh? Yep. It was very comforting.
Craig, the promise is for you and your children and all who are far off. (I.e. both Jews and Gentiles, not only Jewish Christians and their families) Don't ignore that third prepositional object or else... voila! Universalism by extension!
Ok Dan and Laura, lets suppose that me, St Augustine, Martin Luther and John Calvin are all idiots on this subject ;-)
You guys tell me what happens to infants when they die, and what's your biblical basis for it?
you do so many posts, they fall off the front page, I assume they're dead.
I think you're ignoring John 1:12-13. They are not born of blood. You are ignoring Jeremiah 31, where the new covenant is contrasted with the old, in that EVERYONE BY DEFINITION who is in the new covenant actually knows God.
The idea that ANYONE is saved because one of his parents is saved, turns new covenant spirituality on its head. If your idea is true, then every child of every convert since Pentecost is saved. Which is Biblical nonsense.
What I think about kids who die in infancy is that, if any is saved, it certainly is not because either of his parents was saved.
God has no grandchildren.
DJP,
I agree. I tend to believe that infants are saved, but by no merit of themselves or their parents. Just like me and you, if they are saved, it is by the gracious merit of Christ and no other.
Dan, you can tick "Email follow-up comments to..." and then you'll see anything new that comes through.
I don't believe covenant infants are saved through the "merit" of their parents in becoming Christians. Salvation is only ever through Christ's grace.
However, we paedo-baptists believe that God has made provision for our children in the covenant, just like he made provision for the children of the old covenant. Anyway, you've heard all the arguments.
What I think about kids who die in infancy is that, if any is saved,
So your officially agnostic on the question of whether infants can be saved? Fair enough - I think that's a better position than the "age of accountability" argument that many baptists use.
I know that Tim Challies believes that all infants are damned, including his own. I recall a post in which he said if his 6 year old were to die today, he would go to Hell.
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